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Sniper 11:19 Thu Apr 14
Red card law change for denying goalscoring opportunity

Not sure what to think about this - I think the whole 'deliberate' element just gives a whole new level of uncertainty for refs to make things even more difficult. Players know the risk they are taking if they dive in on a player in these circumstances. The only change I would want to see is a penalty goal given (like a penalty try) when a player handles in the line - as that isn't denying an opportunity, it's denying a clear goal. But I still want them sent off for being a cheat.

Anyway, from the Beeb:

Denying a goalscoring opportunity: Red card rule relaxed by IFAB

Players who commit a foul to deny a goalscoring opportunity will no longer automatically be sent off, football's rule-making body has confirmed.

The previous 'triple-punishment' rule required a red card - and therefore a suspension - as well as the award of a penalty under those circumstances.

However, players committing accidental fouls that deny a goalscoring chance will now be cautioned instead.

But deliberate fouls will still incur a red card.

Those include holding, pulling or pushing, not playing the ball, serious foul play, violent conduct or deliberate handball in order to deny a goalscoring opportunity.

The change has been ratified by the International Football Association Board (IFAB) - a body made up of the four British football associations and Fifa - which decides on changes to the Laws of the Game.

It follows a comprehensive, 18-month review, led by former Premier League referee David Elleray.

Italy to trial video replays for penalties

Meanwhile, the IFAB has selected the Italian Football Federation to carry out a new trial of video replays.

The technology will be used to help referees decide whether a goal has been scored, whether a penalty should be awarded, whether a player should be sent off, or in cases of mistaken identity.

Italian Football Federation president Carlo Tavecchio said: "We were among the first supporters of using technology on the pitch and we believe we have everything required to offer our contribution to this important experiment."

Tests initially will be in private before moving to a live pilot phase with replay assistance by the 2017-18 season at the latest

franksfat&slow&wank 4:25 Fri Apr 15
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keepers will be well happy

Bonds 4:06 Fri Apr 15
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Deliberately bringing down Carroll results in a foul against Carroll, so not sure how this could get any worse for us.

suffering iron 3:44 Fri Apr 15
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I'd imagine this is there to prevent keepers being sent off as a slide out a clipping the strikers ankles trying to block the ball will not be deemed as "deliberate"....

1964 12:47 Fri Apr 15
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More fiddleing with the laws to confuse referees, players and supporters.

Why can't they leave it alone. It was best when players played in long trousers.

Sniper 11:32 Fri Apr 15
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Good point

SurfaceAgentX2Zero 11:20 Fri Apr 15
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Law 12 - Fouls and Misconduct

Fouls and misconduct are penalised as follows:

Direct free kick

A direct free kick is awarded to the opposing team if a player commits any of the following seven offences in a manner considered by the referee to be careless, reckless or using excessive force:

• kicks or attempts to kick an opponent
• trips or attempts to trip an opponent
• jumps at an opponent
• charges an opponent
• strikes or attempts to strike an opponent
• pushes an opponent
• tackles an opponent

As far as I can see, those incidents where it is proposed to show greater leniency aren't currently offences under the laws of the game and a free-kick or penalty shouldn't be awarded anyway.

andyd12345 11:01 Fri Apr 15
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If it only applies to fouls in the penalty box then I think it's very logical. The opposition are still getting a penalty, and if they cant score from 12 yards they don't deserve a goal.

The 'deliberate' element is presumably to stop centre halves pulling off one handed saves in the hope a penalty would be missed and they'd escape with a yellow card.

Private Dancer 9:07 Fri Apr 15
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Road - Some changes to the laws have been good though...keeper not being able to pick the ball up is one that springs to mind.

What I would change with this law is that a player only gets a yellow if it's a professional foul inside the box, UNLESS it is deemed as serious/dangerous foul play. A red and a pen is way too harsh, accepted though that if the pen is missed they get away with it...I suppose the sme would have to apply for a handball on the goal line.

13 Brentford Rd 8:32 Fri Apr 15
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It's like our education system, keep fucking about with it for no good reason and then wonder why it's shit.

Private Dancer 8:05 Fri Apr 15
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That's us fucked then.

David L 7:57 Fri Apr 15
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And it took Ellary 18 months to come up with that crock of vague shit? Proof if ever you needed it that all refs are cunts - even Harrow school teachers.

Baggins 1:42 Fri Apr 15
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The 'triple punishment' only applied if you were in the box and the foul resulted in a penalty and a red card.

So I assume this 'rule change' only applies to fouls in the box?

In which case it's really not that dramatic. How often do you see this type of thing even happen? Not very often at all.

the coming of gary 1:35 Fri Apr 15
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attacking teams captain should be offered choice of red card OR penalty.
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stoneman 12:55 Fri Apr 15
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Here is my idea.

Player is brought down in the area, referee gives a penalty.

If the team score the penalty the player gets a yellow card but if he misses then he gets sent off.

Sniper 12:42 Fri Apr 15
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Agreed honest

Fraser - I would simply say IF it's a foul and IF it's denying a clear goalscoring opportunity then it should be a red. If its something wholly accidental, it may not even be a foul at all, but if it's deemed a coukd then tough

Chigwell 12:34 Fri Apr 15
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Call me old fashioned but I don't see why something accidental (their word) should be punished at all. If it is accidental, how do you guard against it? You can't.

If the word was replaced with "reckless" or even " careless", it would at least be logical to penalise such an action. I can guard against being careless by taking more care.

Honest Hammer 12:28 Fri Apr 15
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This is a shit rule change.

Imagine it's the first game at the O/S, it's 0-0 and our new international superstar striker goes clean through, he's about to pull the trigger just outside the box when a clumsy centre half fouls him in an attempt to win the ball.

Because it's not a deliberate foul (because he's made an attempt to get the ball) - he gets a booking. Free kick doesn't go in, at the end of the game the opposition get a corner, guess who pops up with the winner.

All a defender has to do now is try to win the ball, it doesn't matter if they don't win it, just make an attempt and they know the worst that'll happen is a booking.

RUBBISH.

fraser 12:21 Fri Apr 15
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Sniper. yes I am.

He was running back and clearly tried to get out of the way, wasn't even attempting to tackle him..and had the ball not run through to the keeper it wouldn't have been rescinded.

The rule was originally made for the incidents like Willie Young and Gabriel on AC at the weekend, clear attempts to cheat.

Jasnik 12:07 Fri Apr 15
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Willie Young that's all I'll say on the matter

Sniper 12:02 Fri Apr 15
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Are you talking the Blackburn game Fraser? Because that red card was rescinded as he wasn't the last man and the player was going away from goal so not a clear goalscoring chance

Otherwise, if it's a foul, it's a foul and should be a free kick or ienakty and a red.

Or you'll start getting shit like players ire tending to fall over to 'accidentally' take a player out when clean through. It sliding in but saying 'I was aiming for the ball and hit the player by accident'. I think in these circumstances it's quite rare that someone does blatantly foul on purpose - that's usually reserved for stopping a break away or counter attack after a corner, usually by a team managed by mourinho

:^) 12:01 Fri Apr 15
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I think the denying a goal scoring opportunity law is open to less mistakes than the refs interpretation of whether it was deliberate or not.

The refs should just be applying strict laws with little to no interpretation, as they have to much influence in outcomes from mistakes as it is.

I'd change the offside rule back to how it was and not have any first phase/second phase bollocks as well.

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